Ivy-leaved Violet at Bermagui, NSW
Identification history
| Viola hederacea | 9 Nov 2024 | JasonPStewartNMsnc2016 | ||
| Viola sp. | 8 Nov 2024 | JasonPStewartNMsnc2016 | ||
| Viola hederacea | 7 Nov 2024 | JasonPStewartNMsnc2016 | ||
| Viola sp. | 4 Nov 2024 | plants | ||
| Unidentified | 4 Nov 2024 | TheCrossingLand |
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some more photos added jason
8 comments
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
7 Nov 2024
More photographs please, including of multiple leaves looking from an aerial vertical aspect and
of the flowers, looking square face–on at the bottom petal so we can see its whole shape and features' details please and the top two petals square down towards their major area so we can see their whole shape and features' details please (may need macro photography or really careful close-up mobile phone photography) .
Please see why we need more information in the following Flora of NSW online PlantNet botanical key reference :
Flora of NSW online PlantNet genus page and botanical key to spp. across NSW :
https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=gn&name=Viola
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of the flowers, looking square face–on at the bottom petal so we can see its whole shape and features' details please and the top two petals square down towards their major area so we can see their whole shape and features' details please (may need macro photography or really careful close-up mobile phone photography) .
Please see why we need more information in the following Flora of NSW online PlantNet botanical key reference :
Flora of NSW online PlantNet genus page and botanical key to spp. across NSW :
https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=gn&name=Viola
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JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
7 Nov 2024
Yeah, thanks Ciaran.
I'm well aware of *Viola banksii* too, plausibly, in this sighting.
The flowers, from what we can see here in only these two photographs, key out to *Viola hederacea* apparently according to the Flora of NSW online PlantNet. [Fertile material always has priority for species identifcations.]
The leaves, from what we can see here in only these two photographs, seem more *Viola banksii* like from in the angle of the first photograph .
I'm well aware of *Viola banksii* too, plausibly, in this sighting.
The flowers, from what we can see here in only these two photographs, key out to *Viola hederacea* apparently according to the Flora of NSW online PlantNet. [Fertile material always has priority for species identifcations.]
The leaves, from what we can see here in only these two photographs, seem more *Viola banksii* like from in the angle of the first photograph .
Tapirlord
wrote:
7 Nov 2024
Yes, I was looking at the foliage. I’m happy leaving this at genus as Kevin has done.
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
8 Nov 2024
Thank you Dean and company for the additional, helpful photographs today.
The anterior petal really appears obovate (wider at the distal end than at the proximal end) – (not really elliptic, circular nor ovate) .
The leaves look reniform when flattened (but when naturally showing their form in three dimensions appearances in two dimensional photographs easily seem to appear orbicular due to the three dimensional fluting upwards).
I have made a private request to Kevin Thiele for more checking of this sighting .
Please refer to this original taxonomic botany article :
• Thiele, Kevin R. & Suzanne M. Prober (2003 November 28th)
Two new species and a new hybrid in the Viola hederacea species complex, with notes on Viola hederacea Labill.
Muelleria 18 : 7–25 .
https://doi.org/10.5962/p.254920
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The anterior petal really appears obovate (wider at the distal end than at the proximal end) – (not really elliptic, circular nor ovate) .
The leaves look reniform when flattened (but when naturally showing their form in three dimensions appearances in two dimensional photographs easily seem to appear orbicular due to the three dimensional fluting upwards).
I have made a private request to Kevin Thiele for more checking of this sighting .
Please refer to this original taxonomic botany article :
• Thiele, Kevin R. & Suzanne M. Prober (2003 November 28th)
Two new species and a new hybrid in the Viola hederacea species complex, with notes on Viola hederacea Labill.
Muelleria 18 : 7–25 .
https://doi.org/10.5962/p.254920
.
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
8 Nov 2024
Quite possibly Kevin Thiele's manuscript name Viola dianantha /
"Viola sp. Narrabarba Hill (J.Miles 16-10) NSW Herbarium" (undescribed species) –credit to Jackie Miles :
https://id.biodiversity.org.au/name/apni/51694937/api/apni-format – as officially recognised by the Council of Heads of Australasian Herbaria (CHAH).
If somebody puts "Viola sp. Narrabarba Hill (J.Miles 16-10) NSW Herbarium" undescribed species into NatureMapr here, according to that phrase name,
then pending according advice, i have privately asked for, i may identify this sighting as that undescribed species .
And a chance remains that i am wrong on this direction of identification and the Viola specialist advice may say : Viola banksii or remain the identification of Viola hederacea !
Wait and see ?
"Viola sp. Narrabarba Hill (J.Miles 16-10) NSW Herbarium" (undescribed species) –credit to Jackie Miles :
https://id.biodiversity.org.au/name/apni/51694937/api/apni-format – as officially recognised by the Council of Heads of Australasian Herbaria (CHAH).
If somebody puts "Viola sp. Narrabarba Hill (J.Miles 16-10) NSW Herbarium" undescribed species into NatureMapr here, according to that phrase name,
then pending according advice, i have privately asked for, i may identify this sighting as that undescribed species .
And a chance remains that i am wrong on this direction of identification and the Viola specialist advice may say : Viola banksii or remain the identification of Viola hederacea !
Wait and see ?
KevinThiele
wrote:
9 Nov 2024
This seems to me to be perfectly good for V. hederacea. Certainly not V. banksii. Note the obovate anterior petal, with what I describe as "messy" venation. The leaves are good for hederacea. As best I can make out the colour is also right - violet with white tips.
Location information
- Coordinates 150.011978-36.420094
- Altitude 29.0m
- Places Bermagui, NSW
Sighting information
- 4 - 15 Abundance
- 8 Nov 2024 01:02 PM Recorded on
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Species information
- Viola hederacea Scientific name
- Ivy-leaved Violet Common name
- Not Sensitive
- Local native
- Non-invasive or negligible
- Up to 1452.61m Recorded at altitude
- Machine learning
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In flower
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